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Posted on 2006.06.29 at 18:38
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So I typed out this whole ginormous entry but I think it can just be summed up as... I REALLY HATE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRO-LIFE AND/OR HOMOPHOBIC/AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE.

ugh. got into a heated discussion with someone who is pro-life AND homophobic. I just feel sick to my stomach thinking about people who hate gays.... or think abortion is wrong.. oy. 

ok i guess i feel a bit better now. 

geez. sometimes stupid people make me angry. We need to kill all the stupid people on this planet... or maybe just conservatives. either/or will work for me.

lol.

anywho.... sorry i just felt like ranting....

so....... whats everyone's plans for the 4th? I might be able to have a bbq or something at my mom's house cuz she won't be there. let me know. please.



oh, another totally random thing, but Darren called my phone the other night... and I picked up... I never thought I could be so mean to another human being .... but it happened, and it was amazing. I had no idea i had so much hate in me for another person. I'll tell ya'll more details later on that one.

wow i just read this over and my grammar sucks.... maybe cuz i have class in 9 minutes and im trying to rush rush rush.


 


EDIT: i forget these topics usually start some debate. ;) lol. but umm, i dont really want to kill all conseratives, or whatever. i was kind of typing tongue-in-cheek.



Comments:


Aleks
velcrofish at 2006-06-30 00:00 (UTC) (Link)
I dont know about killing all the conservatives, because I know an incredible amount of stupid liberals. Almost equal to the number of stupid conservatives.
(Anonymous) at 2006-06-30 14:19 (UTC) (Link)
haha well, i was kidding about killing all conservatives... yea i realize that there's a bunch of ridiculous liberals out there too.
BP
thegoal_issoul at 2006-06-30 14:20 (UTC) (Link)
um.. that was me.
herocatholic
herocatholic at 2006-07-01 00:03 (UTC) (Link)
I hate to start heated discussions but...

I'm pro-life. This doesn't mean that I don't respect people's opinions, however, I don't think that abortion is a good choice unless there are severe circumstances (gray areas are: rape, incest. Ok area is: endangerment of mother's life).

What's wrong with abortion being wrong?

Jackie
never2muchmusic at 2006-07-01 06:28 (UTC) (Link)
It's fine and dandy that you think abortion is wrong, but that doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't be allowed to do it or not be allowed to think differently than you. If you think abortion is wrong, don't get one.
Jackie
never2muchmusic at 2006-07-01 06:37 (UTC) (Link)
Plus, most people that get abortions do not want to go through the physical nastiness that is pregnancy/don't want to have a baby/don't have the means to support a baby. So, having the baby wouldn't make sense for the mother or the child because the mother would go through unecessary discomfort and the baby would never truly be cared for in the way that a child should. Even if the baby was given up for adoption, there is a lot of mental trauma that goes along with adoption for both the parents and child.

Plus, the world is overcrowded and humans are going to kill themselves by reproducing. So, I don't have a problem with women deciding to rid their bodies of a few cells and save the planet from becoming one giant clown car.

I also hate when people say that abortion is killing a baby. You can't kill something that has never lived.
herocatholic
herocatholic at 2006-07-01 11:24 (UTC) (Link)
so it's not living at all? or are you using the definition of a "baby" as the the child once it exits the womb?

I understand that the whole world doesn't have to think like I do, I'm just stating that Sarah said that she hates (of course, not in the extreme sense) pro-life people. Since I am a pro-life person, does that mean that Sarah hates me now [this is rhetorical as I know that the answer is no]?
BP
thegoal_issoul at 2006-07-01 14:56 (UTC) (Link)
lol, i dont hate u. i was being sort of extreme in that post. what i really meant was I just don't understand how someone can be pro-life... i dunno.. i just can't find a good reason for it.

oh and Jackie i totally agree with everything u said. :D
BP
thegoal_issoul at 2006-07-01 15:00 (UTC) (Link)
not to start another debate here, but im honestly just stating this thru pure ignorance. if you are pro-life then why do you think its ok on certain occasions?
herocatholic
herocatholic at 2006-07-01 17:05 (UTC) (Link)
the case of the mother's life is an exception to pro-life because the woman intended [or wanted] to have the baby, but unfortantley, the baby's position or the circumstances involving the uterus or vaginal opening conflicted with the birthing process. The word WANTED is the key word to this situation. Plus, one can consider this as a case of self-defense on the mother's side.

You have a 16-year-old who gets knocked up by her boyfriend because they were having unprotected sex and she didn't want to have the responsibility is ridiculuous. Why cause harm to the baby when the baby didn't do anything? I know this is going along guilt trip but c'mon!

So, this is what Jackie said:
Plus, most people that get abortions do not want to go through the physical nastiness that is pregnancy


don't want to have a baby

And thus...the baby's fault!

don't have the means to support a baby.

Adoption...

So, having the baby wouldn't make sense for the mother or the child because the mother would go through unecessary discomfort and the baby would never truly be cared for in the way that a child should.

Adoption...

Even if the baby was given up for adoption, there is a lot of mental trauma that goes along with adoption for both the parents and child.

Killing the baby or saving the baby? If that's really a tough choice, then I'm wondering what the debate is about...

I understand that there are hardships with abortion and adoption, but that shouldn't give any excuse to do something that isn't right such as taking a life away. I'm sorry to equate it with murder but it is intential killing of a being that has a support system attached to the blood of the mother. It's alive! If you take away the life of something that is alive, then you are killing it.

Why make more babies? Adopt the children who have no homes! Abstinence all the way!
Jackie
never2muchmusic at 2006-07-02 07:58 (UTC) (Link)
First of all, I think there is a huge difference between a baby and a fetus. A fetus is inside the mother's womb and hasn't been born. Webster defines a fetus as "an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth". So technically most abortions aren't even of fetuses, but of clusters of cells. I don't think that getting an abortion is killing because you're not killing a baby, and most times you're not even killing a fetus; you're killing a bunch of cells. I repeat myself: You can't kill something that has never lived. And if you're trying to say that you're against killing cells, then you really shouldn't have scratched that itch a few minutes ago, and you REALLY shouldn't masturbate.

Also, I never once said that anything is the fetus's fault. Actually this is part of the reason why I'm pro-choice. As I tried to explain earlier: thousands of children are unwanted, unsupported, unloved. I don't think that any child deserves this, and abortion is a means of preventing it. Secondly, you don't seem to understand that adoption isn't all it's cracked up to be. There are tons of children living on the streets, in homeless shelters, in orphanages, in foster homes... Children that don't have a home. Children that don't feel loved. And even children that do get adopted and have homes have difficult times in their lives that anyone who's not adopted can never understand. You say "Killing the baby or saving the baby?" When in all reality you're creating a child that will possibly have a life full of trauma, confusion, hunger, and even a life without truly feeling loved.

In addition, why does it always seem to be men that have a problem with abortions? Men don't understand what it's like to be female, what it's like to bleed and hurt every month, what it's like to be pregnant... To throw up every morning, to have something that's normally tiny stretch out to the size of a softball, to feel nothing but excrutiating pain.

And honestly, if you feel that abortion is okay if the mother's life is at risk, then you obviously haven't realized that more than 500,000 women die as a result of childbirth every year. Every pregnant woman's life is technically at risk. So, according to your logic, every pregnant woman should be allowed to get an abortion. You're pro-choice if you think that abortion should be allowed at any point in time, in any case.

Lastly, abstinence doesn't work.
herocatholic
herocatholic at 2006-07-02 14:05 (UTC) (Link)
don't think that getting an abortion is killing because you're not killing a baby, and most times you're not even killing a fetus; you're killing a bunch of cells. I repeat myself: You can't kill something that has never lived.

So it really depends on when you perform the abortion on when you are or are not killing a fetus? Killing a fetus is not killing a bunch of cells anymore since a fetus has a heart and a brain and they are both work simotaneously in order to keep the fetus alive.

then you really shouldn't have scratched that itch a few minutes ago, and you REALLY shouldn't masturbate.

I laughed at that part. (however, the cells on my skin are already dead so it's okay to make that itch...masturbation on the other hand [despite the cells already being dead]...)

In addition, why does it always seem to be men that have a problem with abortions? Men don't understand what it's like to be female, what it's like to bleed and hurt every month, what it's like to be pregnant... To throw up every morning, to have something that's normally tiny stretch out to the size of a softball, to feel nothing but excrutiating pain.

What about women who are pro-life (and yes, I do know women who are pro-life)?

You say "Killing the baby or saving the baby?" When in all reality you're creating a child that will possibly have a life full of trauma, confusion, hunger, and even a life without truly feeling loved.

You are right, since I am not adopted [least I don't think so], I wouldn't know these feelings but that doesn't mean that saving a child so that they could find a suitable home and feel loved isn't worth it.

Plus, you can't play the "what if" game on this. What if...the child goes through trauma? But what if..the child finds a home and finally feels accepted and loved? Isn't that worth putting the baby up for adoption and saving the baby's life if one is pregnant?

As I tried to explain earlier: thousands of children are unwanted, unsupported, unloved. I don't think that any child deserves this, and abortion is a means of preventing it

I don't think they deserve it either, but I don't think killing them off is the answer.

You're pro-choice if you think that abortion should be allowed at any point in time, in any case.

But it's not ANY case. You are generalizing the word "risk" and then applying it to what I said, which you know is not what I meant. Yes, a woman being pregnant is itself a risk, but the risk isn't cited until the actual birth of the baby or a little bit sometime before it. Is the mother's life REALLY at risk if they are just pregnant? Not so much unless there are complications with the delivery.

About 46 million women get abortions every year. How many of those are in the risk of the mother's life? I would say not a whole lot since it's a rare occurance.

Lastly, abstinence doesn't work.

Last time I checked, it's the only full-proof 100% way of not getting pregnant. The pill works 99% and condoms work 95-99%.
Jackie
never2muchmusic at 2006-07-02 20:02 (UTC) (Link)
I'm not going to try to explain myself again because you're obviously not open-minded enough to understand.
herocatholic
herocatholic at 2006-07-03 03:57 (UTC) (Link)
I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with what you said.
Jackie
never2muchmusic at 2006-07-01 06:29 (UTC) (Link)
It would be cool if you could have a bbq on the 4th. I have not heard any plans yet. Also, I'm kind of proud of you for telling Darren off, and I'm sorry that people can be so closed-minded and aggrivating.
BBB
thatsmyfoot at 2006-07-02 18:59 (UTC) (Link)
yay for being mean!!!!


sarah, i must salute you for admitting that you have the capacity to be mean, and not apologizing for it. kudos.


im not saying lets all be mean, but i hate it when people wont admit that they have the ability to be a jackass.


i am in fact, a jackass rather often as of late. dont know why.
BP
thegoal_issoul at 2006-07-03 22:55 (UTC) (Link)
:) I do what I can.
rosemary_blaze
rosemary_blaze at 2006-07-03 20:55 (UTC) (Link)
sooo..........I don't understand how a person who is pro-choice is also NOT vegetarian....just another thought in the mix...their logic is that killing is wrong--thus why kill intentionally at all? does an animal not have a soul?? ok that's controversial too I guess....
but overall, yay if you have a bbq :-)

BP
thegoal_issoul at 2006-07-03 22:55 (UTC) (Link)
yup im having a bbq. not sure what time yet tho.
humor_yourself at 2006-07-07 03:18 (UTC) (Link)
Not to start another debate, but i found a U2 book at barnes and noble for some $10 that you may like. Many many pictures. Something like the U2 Book or something. Go to the DG one and start walking by the bargain books. From what i remember, it was a real bargain!

A debate about the post above may come later, but maybe not. i am in a state of zen right now...or an unnecessary 4.5 hour night sleep.
BP
thegoal_issoul at 2006-07-07 16:58 (UTC) (Link)
i think the book your talking about is called 'U2 Show'.. and i already own that one anyways.. but thanks for the heads up.
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